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Engelbert(h)a Stroebele was not a Krupp! David Stroebel’s hypothesis disproved.

  • Conversation started August 8

  •  12:01pm   Paul Landauer

    Dear Karl, Thank you so much for putting online original German records from Sigmaringen, photographed in the parish office, to prove the true identity of Engelbertha Stroebele, who was definitely NOT a Krupp! Your research greatly benefits the historical and genealogical community. Greetings from Germany and keep up your blessed and dedicated work, Paul

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Engelbertha_Stroebele

    Engelbertha Stroebele née Arnold

    The author Dstrob seems to know the real identity of this supposed Krupp-daughter. In 2011 he hired an genealogist and from this genealogist he recieved the birth entry of Engelbertha Arnold in the Sigmaringen Church Books. It reads: Engelberta, ehel., kath., Eltern: Arnold, Jos., Registrator bei der fürstl. Hofkammer, und Barbara, geb. Biedermann (Bindermann? [Karl-Michael Sala, German Genealogist since 1979, adds: No, it is definitely Biedermann; compare the other letters e), geb. in Sigmaringen, am 13. Juni, nachmittags 9 Uhr. (Engelberta, legitimate, catholic, parents: Arnold, Jos., clerk at the Princely Exchequer, and Barbara née Biedermann, born in Sigmaringen, 13th of June, 9 o’clock in the afternoon) http://www.germangenealogist.com/2011/06/23/professional-german-genealogist-gets-62nd-german-genealogy-endorsement-since-july-2008-from-executive-director-at-engelbertha-krupp-charitable-foundation-inc/ Birth date and names of parents are identical with the on Spiegel Online published New Jersey death certificate of Bertha Stroebele. BTW: the birth year is according to the Sigmaringen Church books, which are official documents, 1851, not 1854. And the New Jersey death certificate reads 1851, if read exactly, not 1854, as Dstrob maintains. And this “author” talks about restoring hist ggrandmothers honor! He is making her a laughing stock! And all this because he has no clue on reality of inheritance law. At least we can verify the Hohenzollern Connection: But it isn’t Imperial Berlin, it’s princely Sigmaringen. MfG (88.65.227.3 (talk) 10:57, 8 August 2013 (UTC))

    More interesting links: http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/unternehmen/thyssenkrupp-angebliche-krupp-tochter-aufgetaucht-a-914456.html#js-article-comments-box-pager

    https://www.facebook.com/pages/David-Stroebel/278689682196387?fref=ts

    https://twitter.com/davidstroebel *GOOD GRIEF!!!!*

    Talk:Engelbertha Stroebele – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    en.wikipedia.org

    Lol: A poor shoemaker as an officer of the Prussian Army? – Unthinkable. Engelbertha was no Krupp, and her real parents are mentioned in her death certificate: Joseph Arnold(?) and Barbara Bie… http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/krupp-dynastie-die-verstossene-tochter-fotostrecke-99810-3.html @Mr St…

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    The Truth shall set you free, my brother in spirit.<br /><br /><br />
I am more a giver than a taker. I gave you what you needed rather than what you wanted. You should be friending me, not unfriending me. Considering now how many THOUSANDS of $ worth of your time & trouble I will have saved you, how about sending $1,000? OK, send whatever you think my work was worth. PayPal acct # MFHM1979@MSN.COM I will accept installments--& your public apology. If you wish, please obtain the 2nd & 3rd opinions of other German Genealogists. It is now high time for you to man up, my fellow veteran of the USAF. You're now a free man. www.GermanGenealogist.com
    • Karl-Michael Sala Looking closer at the death cert, it WAS actually 1851, for the top handle of the 5, angled over to the 1 & made the 1 look like a 4. And the signing physician also used an 1851 for the year. AND, CRUCIALLY, THE PARENTS GIVEN ON THE DEATH CERTIFICATE ARE THE ONES GIVEN HERE. So, case closed, David Stroebel.
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Here are some stunning images from a research trip in 2008 to Schlieben, south of Berlin & east of Leipzig.

Alice Eichholz shared an image & story by Ursula Krause of Rootseekers:   This is me, a LOOOONG time ago at the parish office in Hohenmocker, [in what was once] Western Pomerania, reading a church book that begins in the year 1720. I love working with the original books, the smell and the old paper. I imagine the clerk or the pastor sitting at his desk, entering names and dates, or preparing the sermon, his wife working in the big church garden, a day laborer passing by to let the pastor know that a child was born to him and his wife and needs to be baptized as soon as possible as it is small and weak, the day laborer’s wife to let the pastor know that her husband died of consumption last night, the young blacksmith to announce his wedding to the miller’s daughter and the farmer and his family who say their last goodbye before leaving for America. And while my hair has turned gray, these stories probably still fill the room of the parish office in Hohenmocker.

Photo: This is me, a LOOOONG time ago at the parish office in Hohenmocker, Western Pomerania, reading a church book that begins in the year 1720. I love working with the original books, the smell and the old paper. I imagine the clerk or the pastor sitting at his desk, entering names and dates, or preparing the sermon, his wife working in the big church garden, a day laborer passing by to let the pastor know that a child was born to him and his wife and needs to be baptized as soon as possible as it is small and weak, the day laborer's wife to let the pastor know that her husband died of consumption last night, the young blacksmith to announce his wedding to the miller's daughter and the farmer and his family who say their last goodbye before leaving for America. And while my hair has turned gray, these stories probably still fill the room of the parish office in Hohenmocker.

  • Karl-Michael Sala Lovely shot & story. Thanks, Alice Eichholz, for sharing Ursula Krause’s great, short anecdote about what it is that we’d most often like to do.
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Pro Bono German Genealogy Research? Why? 2013: I’ve now granted about $40,000 of pro bono research!

1958 abt William Burton“Dad! What should I do when I grow up?”

“Well, son, figure out what it is that you would do for free. Then, also figure out a way to get paid to do that activity.”

“I found it Dad!”

In 2013, I, Karl-Michael Sala have granted, pro bono, i.e. for the good, nothing, free, about $40,000 worth of advice, articles, comments, counsel, research, postings, publications, translations, transcriptions, et al. on numerous European Genealogy Research Blogs, Communities, Groups, etc.

Many recipients are very grateful & express their gratitude. When I do pro bono work, ’tis I who gets to decide when I cease the research.

50% of my time is pro bono, but ’tis again I who determines precisely what & for whom the pro bono work is performed!

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The spreading & perpetuation of libel online, in social networking against Karl-Michael Sala

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  •  Józef Taran

    Karl-Michael Sala:

    you wrote in your thread posted Thursday at 9:53pm:

    “Karl-Michael Sala: Love the teamwork with Józef Taran & Marcel Elias, et al. who apparently needs to connect with me.
    22 hours ago · Edited · Like · 1”

    I don’t work in your team. Don’t suggest it. I don’t want to be associated with your activity which was described by few researchers in Marcia Searles Boyce’s thread on the German Genealogy Page on Facebook on 10th of June this year. Since then you have terminated posting there.

    Otherwise I will take appropriate legal procedures.

    • 3 people like this.  I ask those below who have liked the negative comments to Unlike it.

    • Rich Brothers what the hell?? [He later wrote: “Much ado about nothing.”

    • Karl-Michael Sala I am stunned that, as a pro’, you so quickly buy into the libel written against me. You & those who Like the comment are now spreading that libel. Marcia Searles Boyce errs & I will prove it publicly. The page which you describe has made it so that I canNOT defend myself, which I am still in the process of doing elsewhere publicly. When a few people work on a thread, it can be considered “the teamwork.” Lighten up & do not buy into the libel that has been committed against me. Nonetheless, I will avoid the terminology. In another forum, the client had other researchers look at my work. NONE could, would or was able to refute my findings. I would ask you to give me some time, but, of course, you may un-friend me if you wish. I ascertained the parish for her target ancestor & indeed found her Florentine in the precise parish whence she came. The client admitted that the target ancestor repeatedly gave different ages & names during her lifetime in the USA. I checked both Ev. Lutheran & Catholic for the parish. There was only one matching Florentine–a very uncommon name–in the time-frame in question. Because the the ancestor’s birth I found was a few years older than the client wanted, she quickly & summarily rejected my research & dis-enabled me to add my findings to her online tree. I have 151 WRITTEN endorsements on Linkedin.com (no, not the ones you click on). I have been doing this since 1979 with a very high success ratio & track record. Judge not, that ye be not judged. One client complaint does not a bad genealogist make. You must also look at the other side. You have seen my other good works. Also, the former client wanted me to connect her with a Florentine in a far-away location. I would not do that. So, give me a chance. <iframe width=”560″ height=”315″ src=”//www.youtube.com/embed/dxPYGtczXsE” frameborder=”0″ allowfullscreen></iframe>

       

       

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Eric Dimiceli has written an updated recommendation of your Poland genealogy research work as International German Genealogist at GermanGenealogist.com

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Eric Dimiceli has written an updated recommendation of your work as International German Genealogist at GermanGenealogist.com.
“Karl-Michael Sala helped me after midnight for more than 2 hours & helped me ascertain the real name of my ancestor’s father. Karl also coached & counseled me about research realities. I would highly recommend him, for he was such a big help to me in my Poland ancestry research.”
Service Category: does genealogy
Year first hired: 2013
Top Qualities: Expert, Good Value, High Integrity

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Not one, but TWO cases cracked for this client/patron of Germany Genealogy professional research!

ANOTHER GERMANY, i.e. Poland GENEALOGY CASE CRACKED WIDE OPEN!

1860 May 19 Hamburg Passenger List Krause Geo & family from Mittel Ochel Poland Title Page

 

 

 

ON THEIR WAY TO QUEBEC FROM HAMBURG, DEUTSCHLAND!ANOTHER GERMANY, i.e. Poland GENEALOGY CASE CRACKED WIDE OPEN!Hamburg Passenger Lists generally gives the place of last residence in the Old World.  Mittel Ochel, Polen [Poland) is the latest. Pamela Groth had been looking for this for years. After having firmed up the foundation of her research, within an hour,  we found & publicly shared with her this image.

Pamela Groth  (client)  Pamela hired you as a Genealogy Research in 2013 and hired you more than once

Top qualities for Karl-Michael Sala: Personable, Expert, High Integrity

“After a frustrating and fruitless search for records pertaining to my German immigrant ancestors, Karl-Michael has successfully assisted me in researching my ancestors to their origins. This was done promptly and cracked the case as he located an [e]migration [Hamburg Passenger Listing] that named their last city of residence. He has demonstrated skill and expertise that makes the chase easy and rewarding. This is the second German family he has assisted me with; connecting with my ancestors is undescribably meaningful and significant. He is just as enthusiastic about locating my ancestors as I am. I appreciate having a trustworthy expert to turn to.” July 18, 2013

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German Ancestry of British Royal Family

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GERMAN ANCESTRY OF BRITISH ROYAL FAMILY

Queen Victoria WOULD be Amused

Prince William’s ancestor, Queen Victoria, was widely reported to have said icily, “We are not amused,” when confronted with some risque joke or other.  (She was using the royal “we,” of course). But her biographers deny she ever said it.  In fact, she was known to enjoy life and laugh uproariously when the occasion called for it.

Queen Victoria laughing in public; photo from Wikipedia

Queen Victoria laughing in public; photo from Wikipedia

Queen Victoria was known as the “Grandmother of Europe” because her sons and daughters married crowned heads all over Europe during her reign, all of the marriages judiciously arranged.  Victoria’s own marriage was semi-arranged; she was presented with various options.  She fell in love with one of the suitors, her first cousin, Albert of the Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld dynasty. (Victoria’s overbearing mother was German; actually, the present-day British royals all have mostly German ancestry).  The young Albert returned her feelings.  She made him wait, though.  He cooled his heels during various visits until she finally proposed to him.

In a way, we can think of Queen Victoria as the “grandmother of tabloids,” because she was the first British monarch to hit on the idea of holding up the royal family as an example of virtuous family life.  This involved opening up the family to some public scrutiny, which of course carried some risks in her day, and still does.  But during Victoria’s reign, and with the capable help of her beloved Prince Albert, Britain fully became a constitutional monarchy.  No longer did the monarch have much real power; she could mostly lead only by example.  She retained “the right to be consulted, the right to encourage, and the right to warn.”

Earliest known photo of Queen Victoria, with her oldest daughter; photo from Wikipedia

Earliest known photo of Queen Victoria, with her oldest daughter; photo from Wikipedia

I like to think Victoria would applaud Prince WIlliam’s decision to marry for love, to take his time, and even to finally marry the commoner Kate Middleton. I was in Edinburgh a few months before the royal engagement was announced.  I read a long magazine article that disparaged “Waity Katy,” who by that time had dated Prince William on and off for years with no resolution in sight.  I cheered for her when the long-awaited engagement was announced.

We all know the British Royal Family has not been a very good example of family happiness in recent years.  Am I the only one who could see trouble coming for Prince Charles and Lady Diana right from the official engagement press conference, when they were asked whether they were in love?  She answered, “Of course.”  He moodily replied, “Whatever ‘in love’ means.” Be that as it may, the monarchy is getting a new lease on life right now as the world breathlessly awaits the birth of a new heir.

While I’m waiting, I think I’ll watch again the 2009 movie The Young Victoria. It was written by Julian Fellowes, who also wrote Gosford Park and is probably at this moment working on the next season of Downton Abbey. The movie shows a young Victoria who is practically kept under house arrest until she accedes to the throne at age 18.  She had to sleep in her mother’s room, and was never even allowed to walk down a flight of stairs without a trusted person holding her hand.  All that changed, though, as she grew into her role of being the Queen Victoria who ruled England for 63 years.  She was not always a dumpy and grumpy-looking old lady.

Image from IMDB

Image from IMDB

The lovely Emily Blunt plays Victoria and the very handsome Rupert Friend plays her beloved Albert.

Join me next time for more explorations into the art and history of Europe and the British Isles, while we all wait for new history to be created!

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Karl-Michael Sala: Administrator & Expert Researcher (Ancestry, Genealogy & Family History) Germany/Prussia Genealogy Research Community

Administrator & Expert Researcher (Ancestry, Genealogy & Family History)

Germany/Prussia Genealogy Research CommunityGermany Prussia Genealogy Research Community Prussia or Preussen in green showing pockets of nonPrussia

Robin FosterEndorsement written for Karl-Michael Sala by

Robin Foster   Expert Genealogy Researcher, Social Networking Guru, Experienced African American History Researcher

I invited Karl to assist with the FamilySearch Genealogy Research Communities on Facebook while they were in beta. He accepted, and went to work immediately answering very difficult questions posted by people with ancestry in Poland and Germany/Prussia.

He has embraced using social media for genealogy and continues to assist others. I would highly suggest his research services in any locality.

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